The University USP

Genesis

You were part of CityU back at the beginning. What was the University like then?

I was in the first cohort at CityU. It was like a company, like a business. We were in Mong Kok, and in a commercial building. There were less than a thousand students. I remember the lift system. In my first year we were free to go to any floor. In the second year, odd or even floors. The third year one lift would go to just three floors. Then we had to use the back stairs to move up or down a floor or two. It was very congested. That's where we met people.

What was the educational atmosphere like?

I'm not sure how much most of the students knew about the university before they joined. After all this was a new institution at that time. However, I think freedom was what everybody was looking forward to. In the old days the secondary schools were quite disciplined. It was a bit like a boarding school atmosphere – except we went home at night. We had prefects who would check if our hair went beyond the collar, or for the ladies how many inches the skirt was above the knee! In Hong Kong most schools were operated by the church. The Catholic stream was much tighter than the other Christian schools. Actually I started to grow longer hair when I got away from the Catholics. University was something different. The pun on the name for "University" in Cantonese is " 任你玩四年" meaning "You can have fun of any sort for four years!" That sums it up.

Does it capture the spirit of this University?

We were the ones who shaped the spirit of this University, along with the faculty and management, and because of that we have real passion for this university.

How has the University changed?

Then it was like a small family and now it has become so big. The canteen could only take 40 or 50 people. Now it can take a thousand. The Students' Union was tiny. In the Student Affairs Office we knew everyone by name.

Leadership

You were Chairman of the Council of the Students' Union. Is it important to encourage leadership?

I didn't think of myself as a leader. I participated in these extra curricula activities to have fun. I am kind of an extrovert person, being expressive and proactively participating, and then I found that the more that you do, the more likely it was that you were going to become a leader. But I really didn't position myself as such. Things would just naturally evolve. A leader is not a position like a manager. It is about whether you can become influential, how you can speak with and for people. It helped me live a more meaningful life. In the business sector by the way it is no good becoming a leader. You have no life. Everyone knows what you do! Sometimes you think it is a choice, but when things evolve you really don't have that much choice.

You work in multiple markets in the region. Do you see significant differences?

Mainland China is like the European Union, it is so big. Some provinces are as big as a European country, they are all different in terms of the economy. Local cultures like the Shanghainese go by rule book, but people in Guangdong who have been closer to Hong Kong for years are more flexible. They will see what the rule doesn't cover. The mentality is different.

Innovation

How about innovation on the mainland compared to Hong Kong?

It's not a fair comparison because you are talking about 1.4 billion compared to 7 million; that makes a massive difference.

So is innovation happening in Hong Kong?

Have you heard about DJI, the Chinese company that produces the civilian drone? It was innovated by graduates from the Hong Kong University of Science and Technology. They tried to build a business in Hong Kong but no one would fund it. So they took the whole innovation to Shenzhen along with a couple of professors, and now they are worth 50% of the global market.

But we have so many government initiatives funding innovation.

The government does not need to fund anything. The government just needs to produce policy to encourage, and to build the infrastructure to facilitate. How many incubator projects do we have at Hong Kong universities? In China they have tons. Actually I am trying to work out one for CityU. I am working with David Ai, who is Director of the Knowledge Transfer Office. We need to build an innovative culture here.

How do we do it?

Recognise achievement. Show success cases. And tell people success comes from failure.

That's a big one…

People need to know. You can get a lot of good returns after you are willing to take risks and take failure on board.

A lot of people still look to the United States for inspiration…

Sure, nobody is going to criticise you for dropping out of school there. But here people still need to graduate. They must all have these PhDs. Asia is a place of natural conformists. Even when you apply for government money, say for innovation funds, you still have to conform to their rules for getting the money. It all becomes another bureaucratic procedure.

So how do we encourage innovation for real in a university?

Recognising how people are moving to create something that is useful to life – and recognising progress other than the final product. Angel funds, capital investors are all looking for projects. Business opportunities and money will come in. But at the early stage it may just be a dream.